Subject	Not Ash, but many others
Posted by	SeedyROM on January 30, 2008 at 4:34 PM
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In Reply To	Have you proven Ash to be a crook? posted by ZiNnYc on January 30, 2008 at 02:57 PM
Message	I'm providing history here to explain to the dense that I don't focus solely on him. You guys sit back and come out of the shadows on his threads but say nothing when some of us call out others. This selective crusading stuff doesn't suit you =) Going back to Ash, I've said repeatedly in the last few days (check my post history, very easy to find) that the things going on right now mimic nearly exactly what happened when other crooks were exposed and blasted off the forum. I even offered him praise to nip this shit in the bud now and he appears to be trying to do just that. Time will tell though. By the way, I've posted the exact same "Time will tell with Ash, maybe he'll get better" phrase EVERY SINGLE YEAR since public issues with Z1 and himself have been posted. Every year it's something new but I digress. You'll never be swayed, you'll never understand the folly until you are the one posting the sob story. Boycott AMS Products - Killing Z32 product innovations, one quickly copied Chinese part at a time. www.SoCalZCrew.com - Come find out how we do it in the West!
Follow Ups	AshSpec vs TOM 2.5" IC pipes - Alan(NJ) 08:46:28 01/30/08 Ash's look cleaner, they will be a great product after - John@z1 09:00:41 01/30/08 i agree, maybe thats why theres a price difference (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 09:07:16 01/30/08 Hopefully Ash has them out soon, before Z1 Copy's them lol (n/m) - Eishozzzz 15:20:57 01/30/08 I already have them on my car testing. (n/m) - John@z1 15:25:27 01/30/08 Do both sets have the same inside diameter? (n/m) - Ballistic 09:16:18 01/30/08 VTD... - 550HPTT 09:19:57 01/30/08 no i am not - Alan(NJ) 09:23:28 01/30/08 Are those pictures from TOM himself? - Woody75 (Denver) 09:49:00 01/30/08 i would assume so - Alan(NJ) 09:51:20 01/30/08 Exactly why YOU don't need to start the post... - PCVI 11:37:47 01/30/08 Re: Exactly why YOU don't need to start the post... - Alan(NJ) 12:07:58 01/30/08 If it weren't for all your contradicting posts yesterday.... - PCVI 12:20:49 01/30/08 i guess posting this was not a good idea - Alan(NJ) 12:30:15 01/30/08 Ya think? (n/m) - SeedyROM 12:32:57 01/30/08 It's the price and turnaround time, not the product. - Kenny 12:37:29 01/30/08 yeah but some of the complaints are from people who - Alan(NJ) 12:50:47 01/30/08 You don't have to eat a turd sandwich to know what it tastes - Kenny 12:56:24 01/30/08 lol (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 13:00:21 01/30/08 allegedly 3-4 months, i guess you could say at least (n/m) - gt300zxtt 17:05:42 01/30/08 Almost all replies to your post were constructive criticsm - tya 12:42:42 01/30/08 i said Ash's pipes look cleaner - Alan(NJ) 13:05:13 01/30/08 I have no bias for or against Ash.... - PCVI 12:47:12 01/30/08 i am a supportor for anyone trying to help the Z community - Alan(NJ) 12:53:00 01/30/08 *sigh* (n/m) - PCVI 12:56:37 01/30/08 Fleece* (n/m) - Kenny 12:56:56 01/30/08 Even the lurkers see through you - SeedyROM 13:06:23 01/30/08 I agree that even the casual observer - ZEngineer 13:12:20 01/30/08 lol, thanks George (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 13:16:04 01/30/08 Is either set available for purchase today? (n/m) - SactoTodd 09:24:14 01/30/08 i'm just provided pictures for our eyes to - Alan(NJ) 09:25:59 01/30/08 I'll take that for a 'no' (n/m) - SactoTodd 09:29:12 01/30/08 pretty much (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 09:32:09 01/30/08 It appears so: - RAGTPZ 10:26:30 01/30/08 The TB bends are also different. Ash's possibly allow more - doug8867 09:36:53 01/30/08 Tom's pipes look to be made very well, and his record for - Guapo 09:48:02 01/30/08 TOM Green does great work and is a class act - tya 10:14:39 01/30/08 Re: TOM Green does great work and is a class act - Alan(NJ) 10:16:55 01/30/08 FWIW - tya 10:23:30 01/30/08 agreed - Alan(NJ) 10:26:40 01/30/08 Z1 throttle bodies - tya 10:28:08 01/30/08 nice - Alan(NJ) 10:29:39 01/30/08 Yup (n/m) - tya 11:13:47 01/30/08 excellent (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 11:17:31 01/30/08 still need to port match tho, right? (n/m) - aliaZ 11:28:19 01/30/08 yes - tya 11:29:17 01/30/08 how much? (n/m) - maglito 12:25:55 01/30/08 group buy coming up @ 3ZC store in a couple days. (n/m) - ali300zx 12:28:26 01/30/08 did you get in on the SMIC group buy? - Ahmed 12:30:14 01/30/08 same here :/ - ali300zx 14:24:49 01/30/08 Look here.... - Barry'z (NJ) 13:06:13 01/30/08 I have bigger throttle bodies installed on my car already - maglito 15:17:34 01/30/08 I know, but the prices are listed in those links. (n/m) - Barry'z (NJ) 13:27:17 01/31/08 The powdercoat issue is moot, he'll coat the mild steel. (n/m) - Kenny 10:18:04 01/30/08 I like T0M and Ash - maglito 10:17:27 01/30/08 Eh... - BradZ (FL) 10:22:31 01/30/08 Why would you powdercoat Aluminum? - boileralum 10:38:39 01/30/08 Let's compare price mild steel + PC: Tom = $499, Ash=$900 - Kenny 10:40:34 01/30/08 I'm liking the sound of t0m's more and more (n/m) - awesom-o 10:44:53 01/30/08 Well put. T0M FTW. (n/m) - ali300zx 10:48:52 01/30/08 did Tom ever show any interest in mass-producing? (n/m) - ZEngineer 10:55:01 01/30/08 He's listed them as an available product. Your question is - Bernie (NoVA) 10:59:33 01/30/08 hush you - ZEngineer 11:10:12 01/30/08 lol. (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 11:11:10 01/30/08 Sweet - 500 is extremely fair IMO (n/m) - ztunerz 11:22:56 01/30/08 Sounds good to me (n/m) - CarlCuro 22:56:08 01/30/08 btw, do tom's pipes go all the way to the turbo - ali300zx 11:01:15 01/30/08 mine dont. However - tya 11:08:56 01/30/08 good deal. (n/m) - ali300zx 11:22:05 01/30/08 hmmm so clearly ppl have been asking t0m to make pipes - Halo Z 11:27:07 01/30/08 i never once said TOM copied - Alan(NJ) 11:54:56 01/30/08 thanks for answering the question, puppet. (n/m) - Halo Z 12:20:51 01/30/08 :scratches head: whatever (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 12:30:56 01/30/08 Man, Dont even bother anymore with this argument. - eriksu9 13:45:29 01/30/08 thank you, and well worded - Alan(NJ) 13:58:18 01/30/08 Backfire (n/m) - SeedyROM 13:09:29 01/30/08 tell me about it - Alan(NJ) 13:11:40 01/30/08 Let the vendors do their own advertising. - ZiNnYc 13:20:19 01/30/08 yeah i learned my lesson (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 13:21:47 01/30/08 You're right, TT.net is full of idiots - SeedyROM 13:38:46 01/30/08 just keep in mind: "Good people make mistakes too" - SR (n/m) - ZEngineer 13:40:52 01/30/08 Good people make up for them with results, no excuses. (n/m) - Kenny 13:46:01 01/30/08 i dont make excuses for Ash - Alan(NJ) 14:24:26 01/30/08 But smart people learn from them. Have you learned George? - SeedyROM 13:47:32 01/30/08 i learned to keep my mouth shut on controversial topics - Alan(NJ) 14:17:52 01/30/08 Well, I didnt say idiots persay - ZiNnYc 13:49:08 01/30/08 agreed - Alan(NJ) 14:06:02 01/30/08 Takes a big man to admit he's an idiot - SeedyROM 14:30:03 01/30/08 you are correct in all your points and you brought up - Alan(NJ) 14:35:03 01/30/08 Have you proven Ash to be a crook? - ZiNnYc 14:57:48 01/30/08 Not Ash, but many others - SeedyROM 16:34:47 01/30/08 just for the record - Alan(NJ) 15:31:07 01/30/08
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